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		<title>By: Joerg Kurt Wegner</title>
		<link>http://www.chemspider.com/blog/cas-announce-commonchemistryorg.html/comment-page-1#comment-150092</link>
		<dc:creator>Joerg Kurt Wegner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Physchim62 - Thanks, very informative. Do you also have a reference for the statement of the copyright on &#039;collections&#039;? 

I am still wondering if &#039;a publisher collection&#039; of chemistry articles (or PubChem) are not violating the CAS policy, already? The future and text mining will show ... if this is indeed the case.

Again, I also appreciate the efforts of CAS, but please link to other sources. Anyway, on the long-term I am still in favor of InChIs, they are not perfect, but they are the best we have right now, for breaking down chemistry data silo barriers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Physchim62 &#8211; Thanks, very informative. Do you also have a reference for the statement of the copyright on &#8216;collections&#8217;? </p>
<p>I am still wondering if &#8216;a publisher collection&#8217; of chemistry articles (or PubChem) are not violating the CAS policy, already? The future and text mining will show &#8230; if this is indeed the case.</p>
<p>Again, I also appreciate the efforts of CAS, but please link to other sources. Anyway, on the long-term I am still in favor of InChIs, they are not perfect, but they are the best we have right now, for breaking down chemistry data silo barriers.</p>
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		<title>By: Physchim62</title>
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		<dc:creator>Physchim62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s an interesting site, and has more information than I feared. CAS has not only opened up (very slightly) its file of official CAS Registry Numbers®, but also its file of synonyms. Of course, they have kept control over which records they release, and this is how they must be planning to protect their business model. It is not really huge news to anyone that the CAS Registry Number® of formaldehyde is [50-00-0], after all!

As for the copyright (&quot;licensing&quot;) on the data, CAS&#039;s position does not seem to have changed. CAS claims copyright on CAS Registry Numbers®, but will let you use, &quot;without a license and without paying a fee&quot;, up to 10,000 of them &quot;in a catalog, website, or other product for which there is no charge&quot;. Their &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cas.org/legal/infopolicy.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Information Use Policies&lt;/a&gt; were updated on December 12, 2008, but I find no major changes to the points of contention from this time last year.

Let&#039;s be very clear about this: there is no copyright on information &lt;i&gt;per se&lt;/i&gt;. Nobody can stop me telling you that the boiling point of water is 100&#160;ºC, or 212&#160;ºF, or that the CAS Registry Number® is [7732-18-5] (as can now be confirmed from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commonchemistry.org/ChemicalDetail.aspx?ref=7732-18-5&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CAS&#039;s own site&lt;/a&gt;). On the other hand, there can be a copyright on &lt;i&gt;collections&lt;/i&gt; of information. So you are free to reproduce an entry or two from the commonchemistry.org site, but you would need to be very careful before reproducing the entire database.

The major change, as Antony says, is the change in attitude. This time last year, CAS was issues thinly veiled threats to withdraw access to CAS databases from Wikipedia editors who used them to verify WP&#039;s information; the response was a quite open threat of legal action against CAS under European competition law. At least now, both sides are co-operating for the benefit of the general public, which is of course Wikipedia&#039;s main userbase.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an interesting site, and has more information than I feared. CAS has not only opened up (very slightly) its file of official CAS Registry Numbers®, but also its file of synonyms. Of course, they have kept control over which records they release, and this is how they must be planning to protect their business model. It is not really huge news to anyone that the CAS Registry Number® of formaldehyde is [50-00-0], after all!</p>
<p>As for the copyright (&#8220;licensing&#8221;) on the data, CAS&#8217;s position does not seem to have changed. CAS claims copyright on CAS Registry Numbers®, but will let you use, &#8220;without a license and without paying a fee&#8221;, up to 10,000 of them &#8220;in a catalog, website, or other product for which there is no charge&#8221;. Their <a href="http://www.cas.org/legal/infopolicy.html" rel="nofollow">Information Use Policies</a> were updated on December 12, 2008, but I find no major changes to the points of contention from this time last year.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s be very clear about this: there is no copyright on information <i>per se</i>. Nobody can stop me telling you that the boiling point of water is 100&nbsp;ºC, or 212&nbsp;ºF, or that the CAS Registry Number® is [7732-18-5] (as can now be confirmed from <a href="http://www.commonchemistry.org/ChemicalDetail.aspx?ref=7732-18-5" rel="nofollow">CAS&#8217;s own site</a>). On the other hand, there can be a copyright on <i>collections</i> of information. So you are free to reproduce an entry or two from the commonchemistry.org site, but you would need to be very careful before reproducing the entire database.</p>
<p>The major change, as Antony says, is the change in attitude. This time last year, CAS was issues thinly veiled threats to withdraw access to CAS databases from Wikipedia editors who used them to verify WP&#8217;s information; the response was a quite open threat of legal action against CAS under European competition law. At least now, both sides are co-operating for the benefit of the general public, which is of course Wikipedia&#8217;s main userbase.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Apodaca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Apodaca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tony, great find. Here&#039;s another perspective:

http://zusammen.metamolecular.com/2009/03/31/sixty-four-free-chemistry-databases-part-6-common-chemistry-from-chemical-abstracts-service]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony, great find. Here&#8217;s another perspective:</p>
<p><a href="http://zusammen.metamolecular.com/2009/03/31/sixty-four-free-chemistry-databases-part-6-common-chemistry-from-chemical-abstracts-service" rel="nofollow">http://zusammen.metamolecular.com/2009/03/31/sixty-four-free-chemistry-databases-part-6-common-chemistry-from-chemical-abstracts-service</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joerg Kurt Wegner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joerg Kurt Wegner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How to turn a good inspiration into something useless? Now we got yet-another-data-silo and web-service, which is only linking to Wikipedia. 

Honestly, I see no added value at all, beside getting a CAS number, I do not care about, because it can not be used for linking to other data silos. Not only are they not mentioning InChI, but also that ChemSpider was a leading member of the Wikipedia initiative, so, kudos for the chemistry 2.0 community, surely not for CAS, now following what we already created a long-time ago (in web standard time).

I keep searching Google or ChemSpider directly, which gives me more information, also for the compounds with less than 1000 publications ! Anyway, I appreciate the effort and wish CAS a dramatic Alexa traffic increase from others, I will not come back to that site, if it stays like that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How to turn a good inspiration into something useless? Now we got yet-another-data-silo and web-service, which is only linking to Wikipedia. </p>
<p>Honestly, I see no added value at all, beside getting a CAS number, I do not care about, because it can not be used for linking to other data silos. Not only are they not mentioning InChI, but also that ChemSpider was a leading member of the Wikipedia initiative, so, kudos for the chemistry 2.0 community, surely not for CAS, now following what we already created a long-time ago (in web standard time).</p>
<p>I keep searching Google or ChemSpider directly, which gives me more information, also for the compounds with less than 1000 publications ! Anyway, I appreciate the effort and wish CAS a dramatic Alexa traffic increase from others, I will not come back to that site, if it stays like that.</p>
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		<title>By: will</title>
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		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 15:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is a very clean, quick interface and is a good (initial) response to the free chemical structure searches available on the web which could in time steal market share from CAS.

For real usefulness they will need to provide more associated links/sources of the data. 

This presents a bit of a paradox for them as to do so would undermine SciFinder (though not to do so would be a helping hand to free access services which link out to data sources - such as ChemSpider and Google Scholar in the long run)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a very clean, quick interface and is a good (initial) response to the free chemical structure searches available on the web which could in time steal market share from CAS.</p>
<p>For real usefulness they will need to provide more associated links/sources of the data. </p>
<p>This presents a bit of a paradox for them as to do so would undermine SciFinder (though not to do so would be a helping hand to free access services which link out to data sources &#8211; such as ChemSpider and Google Scholar in the long run)</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Bachrach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Bachrach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting development by CAS - moving into the &quot;free information world&quot;. I find it noteworthy that CAS does not provide the InChI as a synonym! Apparently they don&#039;t believe in what you say  Tony in your subsequent post &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chemspider.com/blog/an-article-about-the-influence-and-proliferation-of-inchis.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;An article about the influence and proliferation of InChIs&lt;/a&gt;&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting development by CAS &#8211; moving into the &#8220;free information world&#8221;. I find it noteworthy that CAS does not provide the InChI as a synonym! Apparently they don&#8217;t believe in what you say  Tony in your subsequent post &#8220;<a href="http://www.chemspider.com/blog/an-article-about-the-influence-and-proliferation-of-inchis.html" rel="nofollow">An article about the influence and proliferation of InChIs</a>&#8220;.</p>
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