There is also the argument over whether an embed is really moving the data off of Chemspider anyway. But again it will _look_ as though it has been. The reality may be otherwise but the impression given is that it has moved.

So on balance I think the playing nice probably wins over the legalistic or technical position and I agree if the data has been declared closed then it shouldn’t be able to be embedded. In the end this may be positive when people start asking about why they can’t embed some particular piece of data – or why they can’t embed their own data then you have an answer. “Due to the potential of negative perceptions we don’t provide the technical ability to embed data where the uploader has no explicitly declared they want to see the data re-used by third parties i.e. open data declared”. It may well encourage more people to declare their data open.

There are two forms of data on ChemSpider…Closed Data or Open Data. I think you likely saw all the discussions on this previously when we set up spectral deposition and were accused of taking copyright?

It was this discussion:
PMR> Chemspider also encourages Uploading Spectra Onto ChemSpider. These spectra by default all belong to Chemspider. They are not Open. If you can convince the world at large to donate IPR to you for free, you deserve some form of congratulations for sheer bravado. Note that even if you upload data and metadata you are not allowed to download it (there is a limit of 100 structures).

AJW>Thanks, again, for the judgments. We have been testing out the system with two of our advisory group and myself. Only JC Bradley’s Lab and Bob Lancashire have deposited and with the understanding, I believe, that the data would be “Open”. Since PMR’s blog posts continue to do damage to our reputation we have no choice but to respond. We do this with coding. Within 24 hours of his comments Open Data was declared, spectra can be downloaded. The intention was always there to do this…just we have higher priorities.

See here for the continued dialog.: http://www.chemspider.com/blog/who-gets-to-choose-whether-data-is-open-or-not.html

My question…should we allow embed for Open Data only or Closed Data too? My preference is both but I believe that users have declared their data CLOSED by default means we should exclude CLOSED when allowing EMBEDing

I guess it is part of the wider question of – if I want to point at a specific spectrum – rather than the a specific structure – can I do that. I wouldn’t suggest it as a high priority. Just that I can see the use of a dedicated data repository services that understand specific data types and ChemSpider is closest in the chemistry space to what I am thinking at the moment.

Cheers

Cameron

The ChemSpiderID will take you directly to the record with the spectrum.

If you want to know a list of spectra you can go here http://www.chemspider.com/spectra.aspx. Also, we’ve added an open Data column today to show what is open and what is not. You can order on the column by clicking on the column title.

Are you trying to get a URL that will take you directly to a view of the Spectrum on the page of interest? Something like http://www.chemspider.com/7607/spectrum1 for example?